Using explicitly numbered repetition instead of question mark, star and plus
I've seen regex patterns that use explicitly numbered repetition instead of ?
, *
and +
, i.e.:
Explicit Shorthand
(something)0,1 (something)?
(something)1 (something)
(something)0, (something)*
(something)1, (something)+
The questions are:
- Are these two forms identical? What if you add possessive/reluctant modifiers?
- If they are identical, which one is more idiomatic? More readable? Simply "better"?
regex readability repetition
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I've seen regex patterns that use explicitly numbered repetition instead of ?
, *
and +
, i.e.:
Explicit Shorthand
(something)0,1 (something)?
(something)1 (something)
(something)0, (something)*
(something)1, (something)+
The questions are:
- Are these two forms identical? What if you add possessive/reluctant modifiers?
- If they are identical, which one is more idiomatic? More readable? Simply "better"?
regex readability repetition
add a comment |
I've seen regex patterns that use explicitly numbered repetition instead of ?
, *
and +
, i.e.:
Explicit Shorthand
(something)0,1 (something)?
(something)1 (something)
(something)0, (something)*
(something)1, (something)+
The questions are:
- Are these two forms identical? What if you add possessive/reluctant modifiers?
- If they are identical, which one is more idiomatic? More readable? Simply "better"?
regex readability repetition
I've seen regex patterns that use explicitly numbered repetition instead of ?
, *
and +
, i.e.:
Explicit Shorthand
(something)0,1 (something)?
(something)1 (something)
(something)0, (something)*
(something)1, (something)+
The questions are:
- Are these two forms identical? What if you add possessive/reluctant modifiers?
- If they are identical, which one is more idiomatic? More readable? Simply "better"?
regex readability repetition
regex readability repetition
edited Jun 13 '10 at 23:49
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To my knowledge they are identical. I think there maybe a few engines out there that don't support the numbered syntax but I'm not sure which. I vaguely recall a question on SO a few days ago where explicit notation wouldn't work in Notepad++.
The only time I would use explicitly numbered repetition is when the repetition is greater than 1:
- Exactly two:
2
- Two or more:
2,
- Two to four:
2,4
I tend to prefer these especially when the repeated pattern is more than a few characters. If you have to match 3 numbers, some people like to write: ddd
but I would rather write d3
since it emphasizes the number of repetitions involved. Furthermore, down the road if that number ever needs to change, I only need to change 3
to n
and not re-parse the regex in my head or worry about messing it up; it requires less mental effort.
If that criteria isn't met, I prefer the shorthand. Using the "explicit" notation quickly clutters up the pattern and makes it hard to read. I've worked on a project where some developers didn't know regex too well (it's not exactly everyone's favorite topic) and I saw a lot of 1
and 0,1
occurrences. A few people would ask me to code review their pattern and that's when I would suggest changing those occurrences to shorthand notation and save space and, IMO, improve readability.
+1, I too think shorthand is better, but I'm also in love with nested ternaries, and I've been virtually yelled at for doing that. I can see that some people may think0,1
"shows intent more clearly" than?
, hence the Q.
– polygenelubricants
Jun 13 '10 at 15:47
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I can see how, if you have a regex that does a lot of bounded repetition, you might want to use the n,m
form consistently for readability's sake. For example:
/^
abc2,5
xyz0,1
foo3,12
bar1,
$/x
But I can't recall ever seeing such a case in real life. When I see 0,1
, 0,
or 1,
being used in a question, it's virtually always being done out of ignorance. And in the process of answering such a question, we should also suggest that they use the ?
, *
or +
instead.
And of course, 1
is pure clutter. Some people seem to have a vague notion that it means "one and only one"--after all, it must mean something, right? Why would such a pathologically terse language support a construct that takes up a whole three characters and does nothing at all? Its only legitimate use that I know of is to isolate a backreference that's followed by a literal digit (e.g. 110
), but there are other ways to do that.
add a comment |
They're all identical unless you're using an exceptional regex engine. However, not all regex engines support numbered repetition,
?
or+
.If all of them are available, I'd use characters rather than numbers, simply because it's more intuitive for me.
add a comment |
They're equivalent (and you'll find out if they're available by testing your context.)
The problem I'd anticipate is when you may not be the only person ever needing to work with your code.
Regexes are difficult enough for most people. Anytime someone uses an unusual syntax, the question
arises: "Why didn't they do it the standard way? What were they thinking that I'm missing?"
add a comment |
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To my knowledge they are identical. I think there maybe a few engines out there that don't support the numbered syntax but I'm not sure which. I vaguely recall a question on SO a few days ago where explicit notation wouldn't work in Notepad++.
The only time I would use explicitly numbered repetition is when the repetition is greater than 1:
- Exactly two:
2
- Two or more:
2,
- Two to four:
2,4
I tend to prefer these especially when the repeated pattern is more than a few characters. If you have to match 3 numbers, some people like to write: ddd
but I would rather write d3
since it emphasizes the number of repetitions involved. Furthermore, down the road if that number ever needs to change, I only need to change 3
to n
and not re-parse the regex in my head or worry about messing it up; it requires less mental effort.
If that criteria isn't met, I prefer the shorthand. Using the "explicit" notation quickly clutters up the pattern and makes it hard to read. I've worked on a project where some developers didn't know regex too well (it's not exactly everyone's favorite topic) and I saw a lot of 1
and 0,1
occurrences. A few people would ask me to code review their pattern and that's when I would suggest changing those occurrences to shorthand notation and save space and, IMO, improve readability.
+1, I too think shorthand is better, but I'm also in love with nested ternaries, and I've been virtually yelled at for doing that. I can see that some people may think0,1
"shows intent more clearly" than?
, hence the Q.
– polygenelubricants
Jun 13 '10 at 15:47
add a comment |
To my knowledge they are identical. I think there maybe a few engines out there that don't support the numbered syntax but I'm not sure which. I vaguely recall a question on SO a few days ago where explicit notation wouldn't work in Notepad++.
The only time I would use explicitly numbered repetition is when the repetition is greater than 1:
- Exactly two:
2
- Two or more:
2,
- Two to four:
2,4
I tend to prefer these especially when the repeated pattern is more than a few characters. If you have to match 3 numbers, some people like to write: ddd
but I would rather write d3
since it emphasizes the number of repetitions involved. Furthermore, down the road if that number ever needs to change, I only need to change 3
to n
and not re-parse the regex in my head or worry about messing it up; it requires less mental effort.
If that criteria isn't met, I prefer the shorthand. Using the "explicit" notation quickly clutters up the pattern and makes it hard to read. I've worked on a project where some developers didn't know regex too well (it's not exactly everyone's favorite topic) and I saw a lot of 1
and 0,1
occurrences. A few people would ask me to code review their pattern and that's when I would suggest changing those occurrences to shorthand notation and save space and, IMO, improve readability.
+1, I too think shorthand is better, but I'm also in love with nested ternaries, and I've been virtually yelled at for doing that. I can see that some people may think0,1
"shows intent more clearly" than?
, hence the Q.
– polygenelubricants
Jun 13 '10 at 15:47
add a comment |
To my knowledge they are identical. I think there maybe a few engines out there that don't support the numbered syntax but I'm not sure which. I vaguely recall a question on SO a few days ago where explicit notation wouldn't work in Notepad++.
The only time I would use explicitly numbered repetition is when the repetition is greater than 1:
- Exactly two:
2
- Two or more:
2,
- Two to four:
2,4
I tend to prefer these especially when the repeated pattern is more than a few characters. If you have to match 3 numbers, some people like to write: ddd
but I would rather write d3
since it emphasizes the number of repetitions involved. Furthermore, down the road if that number ever needs to change, I only need to change 3
to n
and not re-parse the regex in my head or worry about messing it up; it requires less mental effort.
If that criteria isn't met, I prefer the shorthand. Using the "explicit" notation quickly clutters up the pattern and makes it hard to read. I've worked on a project where some developers didn't know regex too well (it's not exactly everyone's favorite topic) and I saw a lot of 1
and 0,1
occurrences. A few people would ask me to code review their pattern and that's when I would suggest changing those occurrences to shorthand notation and save space and, IMO, improve readability.
To my knowledge they are identical. I think there maybe a few engines out there that don't support the numbered syntax but I'm not sure which. I vaguely recall a question on SO a few days ago where explicit notation wouldn't work in Notepad++.
The only time I would use explicitly numbered repetition is when the repetition is greater than 1:
- Exactly two:
2
- Two or more:
2,
- Two to four:
2,4
I tend to prefer these especially when the repeated pattern is more than a few characters. If you have to match 3 numbers, some people like to write: ddd
but I would rather write d3
since it emphasizes the number of repetitions involved. Furthermore, down the road if that number ever needs to change, I only need to change 3
to n
and not re-parse the regex in my head or worry about messing it up; it requires less mental effort.
If that criteria isn't met, I prefer the shorthand. Using the "explicit" notation quickly clutters up the pattern and makes it hard to read. I've worked on a project where some developers didn't know regex too well (it's not exactly everyone's favorite topic) and I saw a lot of 1
and 0,1
occurrences. A few people would ask me to code review their pattern and that's when I would suggest changing those occurrences to shorthand notation and save space and, IMO, improve readability.
edited Jun 13 '10 at 15:32
answered Jun 13 '10 at 15:27
Ahmad MageedAhmad Mageed
76.9k14137162
76.9k14137162
+1, I too think shorthand is better, but I'm also in love with nested ternaries, and I've been virtually yelled at for doing that. I can see that some people may think0,1
"shows intent more clearly" than?
, hence the Q.
– polygenelubricants
Jun 13 '10 at 15:47
add a comment |
+1, I too think shorthand is better, but I'm also in love with nested ternaries, and I've been virtually yelled at for doing that. I can see that some people may think0,1
"shows intent more clearly" than?
, hence the Q.
– polygenelubricants
Jun 13 '10 at 15:47
+1, I too think shorthand is better, but I'm also in love with nested ternaries, and I've been virtually yelled at for doing that. I can see that some people may think
0,1
"shows intent more clearly" than ?
, hence the Q.– polygenelubricants
Jun 13 '10 at 15:47
+1, I too think shorthand is better, but I'm also in love with nested ternaries, and I've been virtually yelled at for doing that. I can see that some people may think
0,1
"shows intent more clearly" than ?
, hence the Q.– polygenelubricants
Jun 13 '10 at 15:47
add a comment |
I can see how, if you have a regex that does a lot of bounded repetition, you might want to use the n,m
form consistently for readability's sake. For example:
/^
abc2,5
xyz0,1
foo3,12
bar1,
$/x
But I can't recall ever seeing such a case in real life. When I see 0,1
, 0,
or 1,
being used in a question, it's virtually always being done out of ignorance. And in the process of answering such a question, we should also suggest that they use the ?
, *
or +
instead.
And of course, 1
is pure clutter. Some people seem to have a vague notion that it means "one and only one"--after all, it must mean something, right? Why would such a pathologically terse language support a construct that takes up a whole three characters and does nothing at all? Its only legitimate use that I know of is to isolate a backreference that's followed by a literal digit (e.g. 110
), but there are other ways to do that.
add a comment |
I can see how, if you have a regex that does a lot of bounded repetition, you might want to use the n,m
form consistently for readability's sake. For example:
/^
abc2,5
xyz0,1
foo3,12
bar1,
$/x
But I can't recall ever seeing such a case in real life. When I see 0,1
, 0,
or 1,
being used in a question, it's virtually always being done out of ignorance. And in the process of answering such a question, we should also suggest that they use the ?
, *
or +
instead.
And of course, 1
is pure clutter. Some people seem to have a vague notion that it means "one and only one"--after all, it must mean something, right? Why would such a pathologically terse language support a construct that takes up a whole three characters and does nothing at all? Its only legitimate use that I know of is to isolate a backreference that's followed by a literal digit (e.g. 110
), but there are other ways to do that.
add a comment |
I can see how, if you have a regex that does a lot of bounded repetition, you might want to use the n,m
form consistently for readability's sake. For example:
/^
abc2,5
xyz0,1
foo3,12
bar1,
$/x
But I can't recall ever seeing such a case in real life. When I see 0,1
, 0,
or 1,
being used in a question, it's virtually always being done out of ignorance. And in the process of answering such a question, we should also suggest that they use the ?
, *
or +
instead.
And of course, 1
is pure clutter. Some people seem to have a vague notion that it means "one and only one"--after all, it must mean something, right? Why would such a pathologically terse language support a construct that takes up a whole three characters and does nothing at all? Its only legitimate use that I know of is to isolate a backreference that's followed by a literal digit (e.g. 110
), but there are other ways to do that.
I can see how, if you have a regex that does a lot of bounded repetition, you might want to use the n,m
form consistently for readability's sake. For example:
/^
abc2,5
xyz0,1
foo3,12
bar1,
$/x
But I can't recall ever seeing such a case in real life. When I see 0,1
, 0,
or 1,
being used in a question, it's virtually always being done out of ignorance. And in the process of answering such a question, we should also suggest that they use the ?
, *
or +
instead.
And of course, 1
is pure clutter. Some people seem to have a vague notion that it means "one and only one"--after all, it must mean something, right? Why would such a pathologically terse language support a construct that takes up a whole three characters and does nothing at all? Its only legitimate use that I know of is to isolate a backreference that's followed by a literal digit (e.g. 110
), but there are other ways to do that.
edited Nov 23 '15 at 21:49
answered Jun 13 '10 at 22:16
Alan MooreAlan Moore
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They're all identical unless you're using an exceptional regex engine. However, not all regex engines support numbered repetition,
?
or+
.If all of them are available, I'd use characters rather than numbers, simply because it's more intuitive for me.
add a comment |
They're all identical unless you're using an exceptional regex engine. However, not all regex engines support numbered repetition,
?
or+
.If all of them are available, I'd use characters rather than numbers, simply because it's more intuitive for me.
add a comment |
They're all identical unless you're using an exceptional regex engine. However, not all regex engines support numbered repetition,
?
or+
.If all of them are available, I'd use characters rather than numbers, simply because it's more intuitive for me.
They're all identical unless you're using an exceptional regex engine. However, not all regex engines support numbered repetition,
?
or+
.If all of them are available, I'd use characters rather than numbers, simply because it's more intuitive for me.
answered Jun 13 '10 at 15:29
tiftiktiftik
83759
83759
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They're equivalent (and you'll find out if they're available by testing your context.)
The problem I'd anticipate is when you may not be the only person ever needing to work with your code.
Regexes are difficult enough for most people. Anytime someone uses an unusual syntax, the question
arises: "Why didn't they do it the standard way? What were they thinking that I'm missing?"
add a comment |
They're equivalent (and you'll find out if they're available by testing your context.)
The problem I'd anticipate is when you may not be the only person ever needing to work with your code.
Regexes are difficult enough for most people. Anytime someone uses an unusual syntax, the question
arises: "Why didn't they do it the standard way? What were they thinking that I'm missing?"
add a comment |
They're equivalent (and you'll find out if they're available by testing your context.)
The problem I'd anticipate is when you may not be the only person ever needing to work with your code.
Regexes are difficult enough for most people. Anytime someone uses an unusual syntax, the question
arises: "Why didn't they do it the standard way? What were they thinking that I'm missing?"
They're equivalent (and you'll find out if they're available by testing your context.)
The problem I'd anticipate is when you may not be the only person ever needing to work with your code.
Regexes are difficult enough for most people. Anytime someone uses an unusual syntax, the question
arises: "Why didn't they do it the standard way? What were they thinking that I'm missing?"
answered Jun 13 '10 at 16:10
dkretzdkretz
32.9k1373130
32.9k1373130
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