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I've been working through the paper Bell nonlocality by Brunner et al. after seeing it in user glS' answer here. Early on in the paper, the standard Bell experimental setup is defined:



Bell experiment



Where $x, y in 0,1$, $a, b in -1, 1$, and the two people (Alice & Bob) measure a shared quantum system generated by $S$ according to their indepedent inputs $x$ and $y$, outputting the results as $a$ and $b$.



The paper then has the following equation:



$P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$



And claims the fact this is an inequality means the two sides are not statistically independent. It's been a long time since I took probability & statistics in university, so I'm interested in this equation, what it means, and why it is a test for statistical independence. Why is this equation used, and what is the intuitive meaning of each side? I have basic knowledge of conditional probability and Bayes' theorem.










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    I've been working through the paper Bell nonlocality by Brunner et al. after seeing it in user glS' answer here. Early on in the paper, the standard Bell experimental setup is defined:



    Bell experiment



    Where $x, y in 0,1$, $a, b in -1, 1$, and the two people (Alice & Bob) measure a shared quantum system generated by $S$ according to their indepedent inputs $x$ and $y$, outputting the results as $a$ and $b$.



    The paper then has the following equation:



    $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$



    And claims the fact this is an inequality means the two sides are not statistically independent. It's been a long time since I took probability & statistics in university, so I'm interested in this equation, what it means, and why it is a test for statistical independence. Why is this equation used, and what is the intuitive meaning of each side? I have basic knowledge of conditional probability and Bayes' theorem.










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      I've been working through the paper Bell nonlocality by Brunner et al. after seeing it in user glS' answer here. Early on in the paper, the standard Bell experimental setup is defined:



      Bell experiment



      Where $x, y in 0,1$, $a, b in -1, 1$, and the two people (Alice & Bob) measure a shared quantum system generated by $S$ according to their indepedent inputs $x$ and $y$, outputting the results as $a$ and $b$.



      The paper then has the following equation:



      $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$



      And claims the fact this is an inequality means the two sides are not statistically independent. It's been a long time since I took probability & statistics in university, so I'm interested in this equation, what it means, and why it is a test for statistical independence. Why is this equation used, and what is the intuitive meaning of each side? I have basic knowledge of conditional probability and Bayes' theorem.










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      I've been working through the paper Bell nonlocality by Brunner et al. after seeing it in user glS' answer here. Early on in the paper, the standard Bell experimental setup is defined:



      Bell experiment



      Where $x, y in 0,1$, $a, b in -1, 1$, and the two people (Alice & Bob) measure a shared quantum system generated by $S$ according to their indepedent inputs $x$ and $y$, outputting the results as $a$ and $b$.



      The paper then has the following equation:



      $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$



      And claims the fact this is an inequality means the two sides are not statistically independent. It's been a long time since I took probability & statistics in university, so I'm interested in this equation, what it means, and why it is a test for statistical independence. Why is this equation used, and what is the intuitive meaning of each side? I have basic knowledge of conditional probability and Bayes' theorem.







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          Statistical independence of random variables means that their joint probability is the product of their marginal probabilities:
          $$P(A∩B) = P(A) P(B)$$
          The following Venn diagram, in which the event $A$ occupies the left half of the big square, while the event $B$ occupies the lower half, exemplifies the above relation. ($A^c$ and $B^c$ denote the complements).



          enter image description here



          The above relation extends to conditional probabilities:



          $$P(A∩B|X) = P(A|X) P(B|X)$$
          Since we can imagine the above diagram inside a subset in which the event $X$ happened.
          So, in the question's notation:
          $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|xy) P(b|xy)$$
          Now, the locality of the measurements (explicitly illustrated in the black boxes) implies that the variable $a$ is independent of $y$ and similarly the variable $b$ is independent of $x$. Thus
          $$P(a|xy) = P(a|x)$$
          $$P(b|xy) = P(b|y)$$
          Thus, in our case, independence would imply that:
          $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|x) P(b|y)$$






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            Ah, okay! So really the important inequalities here are $P(a|xy) ne P(a|x)$ and $P(b|xy) ne P(b|y)$, which stated together is $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$?
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            Yes, the principle is that conditioning of quantum probabilities does not preserve independence, even if the observables belong to a commutative subalgebra of the system's operator algebra. In our case the observables are $I otimes sigma_z$ and $ sigma_z otimes I$ which commute. The conditioning preserves the independence in a separable state, for example $|psirangle = |1rangle otimes 1 rangle$, where exactly the above square Venn diagram is obtained, but not in an entangled state, such as the Bell state
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            Just to be 100% sure here - in the equation's notation, $P(ab|xy)$ means $P(a cap b | x cap y)$ and not $P(a cdot b | x cdot y)$? Since multiplication would be defined over the values of $a,b,x,y$...
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            Yes, this is correct.
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          $P(ab|xy) = P(a|x)P(b|y)$



          would imply that any dependence that the output $ab$ has on the inputs $xy$ (expressed by the lhs) is solely due to $a$ depending on $x$ alone, and $b$ depending on $y$ alone. This is expressed by the rhs by treating the value of $a$ and its dependence on $x$ as an independent event from the value of $b$ and its dependence on $y$, and hence the probability of a particular $ab$ is the product of these independent probabilities.



          In Bell's equalities, we see that this is not the case. Correlations between $a$ and $b$ depend explicitly on which pair of inputs $xy$ is chosen. Specifically, for the CHSH inequality, whether or not $a$ agrees with $b$ depends on both $x$ and $y$, and hence $a$ cannot be said to be independent of $y$ (nor $b$ of $x$). This behaviour means that there will be at least some values of $a$, $b$, $x$ and $y$ where the above equality does not hold.






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            It perhaps helps to express $P(ab|xy)$ in words:




            the probability that Alice gets answer A and Bob gets answer B given that choices x and y were made




            Now independence in classical probability holds if and only if
            $$
            P(e_1text and e_2)=P(e_1)P(e_2)
            $$

            where $e_1$ and $e_2$ are events, and practically, you can see what it means through Bayes' theorem
            $$
            P(e_1|e_2)=fracP(e_1text and e_2)P(e_2)=P(e_1)
            $$

            i.e. for independent events, the condition probability is independent of the conditioning.



            Now, we could rewrite
            $$
            P(ab|xy)=P(a|bxy)P(b|xy)
            $$

            you lose a bit of symmetry by doing it like this, but only briefly. Now, the idea of independence in the current context is that Alice's result should not depend on anything that happens on Bob's side, so $P(a|bxy)=P(a|x)$ and Bob's result should be independent of anything that happens on Alice's side, so $P(b|xy)=P(b|x)$. Hence, independence between Alice and Bob would imply
            $$
            P(ab|xy)=P(a|x)P(b|y).
            $$

            So, if this condition holds for all $a,b,x,y$, then the probability distribution is independent, otherwise, the results are not statistically independent.






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              Statistical independence of random variables means that their joint probability is the product of their marginal probabilities:
              $$P(A∩B) = P(A) P(B)$$
              The following Venn diagram, in which the event $A$ occupies the left half of the big square, while the event $B$ occupies the lower half, exemplifies the above relation. ($A^c$ and $B^c$ denote the complements).



              enter image description here



              The above relation extends to conditional probabilities:



              $$P(A∩B|X) = P(A|X) P(B|X)$$
              Since we can imagine the above diagram inside a subset in which the event $X$ happened.
              So, in the question's notation:
              $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|xy) P(b|xy)$$
              Now, the locality of the measurements (explicitly illustrated in the black boxes) implies that the variable $a$ is independent of $y$ and similarly the variable $b$ is independent of $x$. Thus
              $$P(a|xy) = P(a|x)$$
              $$P(b|xy) = P(b|y)$$
              Thus, in our case, independence would imply that:
              $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|x) P(b|y)$$






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                Ah, okay! So really the important inequalities here are $P(a|xy) ne P(a|x)$ and $P(b|xy) ne P(b|y)$, which stated together is $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$?
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                – ahelwer
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                Yes, the principle is that conditioning of quantum probabilities does not preserve independence, even if the observables belong to a commutative subalgebra of the system's operator algebra. In our case the observables are $I otimes sigma_z$ and $ sigma_z otimes I$ which commute. The conditioning preserves the independence in a separable state, for example $|psirangle = |1rangle otimes 1 rangle$, where exactly the above square Venn diagram is obtained, but not in an entangled state, such as the Bell state
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                – David Bar Moshe
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              • $begingroup$
                Just to be 100% sure here - in the equation's notation, $P(ab|xy)$ means $P(a cap b | x cap y)$ and not $P(a cdot b | x cdot y)$? Since multiplication would be defined over the values of $a,b,x,y$...
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                Yes, this is correct.
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                – David Bar Moshe
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              $begingroup$

              Statistical independence of random variables means that their joint probability is the product of their marginal probabilities:
              $$P(A∩B) = P(A) P(B)$$
              The following Venn diagram, in which the event $A$ occupies the left half of the big square, while the event $B$ occupies the lower half, exemplifies the above relation. ($A^c$ and $B^c$ denote the complements).



              enter image description here



              The above relation extends to conditional probabilities:



              $$P(A∩B|X) = P(A|X) P(B|X)$$
              Since we can imagine the above diagram inside a subset in which the event $X$ happened.
              So, in the question's notation:
              $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|xy) P(b|xy)$$
              Now, the locality of the measurements (explicitly illustrated in the black boxes) implies that the variable $a$ is independent of $y$ and similarly the variable $b$ is independent of $x$. Thus
              $$P(a|xy) = P(a|x)$$
              $$P(b|xy) = P(b|y)$$
              Thus, in our case, independence would imply that:
              $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|x) P(b|y)$$






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              • $begingroup$
                Ah, okay! So really the important inequalities here are $P(a|xy) ne P(a|x)$ and $P(b|xy) ne P(b|y)$, which stated together is $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$?
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                – ahelwer
                Nov 14 '18 at 19:30










              • $begingroup$
                Yes, the principle is that conditioning of quantum probabilities does not preserve independence, even if the observables belong to a commutative subalgebra of the system's operator algebra. In our case the observables are $I otimes sigma_z$ and $ sigma_z otimes I$ which commute. The conditioning preserves the independence in a separable state, for example $|psirangle = |1rangle otimes 1 rangle$, where exactly the above square Venn diagram is obtained, but not in an entangled state, such as the Bell state
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                – David Bar Moshe
                Nov 15 '18 at 10:02











              • $begingroup$
                Just to be 100% sure here - in the equation's notation, $P(ab|xy)$ means $P(a cap b | x cap y)$ and not $P(a cdot b | x cdot y)$? Since multiplication would be defined over the values of $a,b,x,y$...
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                – ahelwer
                Nov 18 '18 at 23:59










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                Yes, this is correct.
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                – David Bar Moshe
                Nov 19 '18 at 6:58













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              $begingroup$

              Statistical independence of random variables means that their joint probability is the product of their marginal probabilities:
              $$P(A∩B) = P(A) P(B)$$
              The following Venn diagram, in which the event $A$ occupies the left half of the big square, while the event $B$ occupies the lower half, exemplifies the above relation. ($A^c$ and $B^c$ denote the complements).



              enter image description here



              The above relation extends to conditional probabilities:



              $$P(A∩B|X) = P(A|X) P(B|X)$$
              Since we can imagine the above diagram inside a subset in which the event $X$ happened.
              So, in the question's notation:
              $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|xy) P(b|xy)$$
              Now, the locality of the measurements (explicitly illustrated in the black boxes) implies that the variable $a$ is independent of $y$ and similarly the variable $b$ is independent of $x$. Thus
              $$P(a|xy) = P(a|x)$$
              $$P(b|xy) = P(b|y)$$
              Thus, in our case, independence would imply that:
              $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|x) P(b|y)$$






              share|improve this answer









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              Statistical independence of random variables means that their joint probability is the product of their marginal probabilities:
              $$P(A∩B) = P(A) P(B)$$
              The following Venn diagram, in which the event $A$ occupies the left half of the big square, while the event $B$ occupies the lower half, exemplifies the above relation. ($A^c$ and $B^c$ denote the complements).



              enter image description here



              The above relation extends to conditional probabilities:



              $$P(A∩B|X) = P(A|X) P(B|X)$$
              Since we can imagine the above diagram inside a subset in which the event $X$ happened.
              So, in the question's notation:
              $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|xy) P(b|xy)$$
              Now, the locality of the measurements (explicitly illustrated in the black boxes) implies that the variable $a$ is independent of $y$ and similarly the variable $b$ is independent of $x$. Thus
              $$P(a|xy) = P(a|x)$$
              $$P(b|xy) = P(b|y)$$
              Thus, in our case, independence would imply that:
              $$P(ab|xy) = P(a|x) P(b|y)$$







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                Ah, okay! So really the important inequalities here are $P(a|xy) ne P(a|x)$ and $P(b|xy) ne P(b|y)$, which stated together is $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$?
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                – ahelwer
                Nov 14 '18 at 19:30










              • $begingroup$
                Yes, the principle is that conditioning of quantum probabilities does not preserve independence, even if the observables belong to a commutative subalgebra of the system's operator algebra. In our case the observables are $I otimes sigma_z$ and $ sigma_z otimes I$ which commute. The conditioning preserves the independence in a separable state, for example $|psirangle = |1rangle otimes 1 rangle$, where exactly the above square Venn diagram is obtained, but not in an entangled state, such as the Bell state
                $endgroup$
                – David Bar Moshe
                Nov 15 '18 at 10:02











              • $begingroup$
                Just to be 100% sure here - in the equation's notation, $P(ab|xy)$ means $P(a cap b | x cap y)$ and not $P(a cdot b | x cdot y)$? Since multiplication would be defined over the values of $a,b,x,y$...
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                – ahelwer
                Nov 18 '18 at 23:59










              • $begingroup$
                Yes, this is correct.
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                – David Bar Moshe
                Nov 19 '18 at 6:58
















              • $begingroup$
                Ah, okay! So really the important inequalities here are $P(a|xy) ne P(a|x)$ and $P(b|xy) ne P(b|y)$, which stated together is $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$?
                $endgroup$
                – ahelwer
                Nov 14 '18 at 19:30










              • $begingroup$
                Yes, the principle is that conditioning of quantum probabilities does not preserve independence, even if the observables belong to a commutative subalgebra of the system's operator algebra. In our case the observables are $I otimes sigma_z$ and $ sigma_z otimes I$ which commute. The conditioning preserves the independence in a separable state, for example $|psirangle = |1rangle otimes 1 rangle$, where exactly the above square Venn diagram is obtained, but not in an entangled state, such as the Bell state
                $endgroup$
                – David Bar Moshe
                Nov 15 '18 at 10:02











              • $begingroup$
                Just to be 100% sure here - in the equation's notation, $P(ab|xy)$ means $P(a cap b | x cap y)$ and not $P(a cdot b | x cdot y)$? Since multiplication would be defined over the values of $a,b,x,y$...
                $endgroup$
                – ahelwer
                Nov 18 '18 at 23:59










              • $begingroup$
                Yes, this is correct.
                $endgroup$
                – David Bar Moshe
                Nov 19 '18 at 6:58















              $begingroup$
              Ah, okay! So really the important inequalities here are $P(a|xy) ne P(a|x)$ and $P(b|xy) ne P(b|y)$, which stated together is $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$?
              $endgroup$
              – ahelwer
              Nov 14 '18 at 19:30




              $begingroup$
              Ah, okay! So really the important inequalities here are $P(a|xy) ne P(a|x)$ and $P(b|xy) ne P(b|y)$, which stated together is $P(ab|xy) ne P(a|x)P(b|y)$?
              $endgroup$
              – ahelwer
              Nov 14 '18 at 19:30












              $begingroup$
              Yes, the principle is that conditioning of quantum probabilities does not preserve independence, even if the observables belong to a commutative subalgebra of the system's operator algebra. In our case the observables are $I otimes sigma_z$ and $ sigma_z otimes I$ which commute. The conditioning preserves the independence in a separable state, for example $|psirangle = |1rangle otimes 1 rangle$, where exactly the above square Venn diagram is obtained, but not in an entangled state, such as the Bell state
              $endgroup$
              – David Bar Moshe
              Nov 15 '18 at 10:02





              $begingroup$
              Yes, the principle is that conditioning of quantum probabilities does not preserve independence, even if the observables belong to a commutative subalgebra of the system's operator algebra. In our case the observables are $I otimes sigma_z$ and $ sigma_z otimes I$ which commute. The conditioning preserves the independence in a separable state, for example $|psirangle = |1rangle otimes 1 rangle$, where exactly the above square Venn diagram is obtained, but not in an entangled state, such as the Bell state
              $endgroup$
              – David Bar Moshe
              Nov 15 '18 at 10:02













              $begingroup$
              Just to be 100% sure here - in the equation's notation, $P(ab|xy)$ means $P(a cap b | x cap y)$ and not $P(a cdot b | x cdot y)$? Since multiplication would be defined over the values of $a,b,x,y$...
              $endgroup$
              – ahelwer
              Nov 18 '18 at 23:59




              $begingroup$
              Just to be 100% sure here - in the equation's notation, $P(ab|xy)$ means $P(a cap b | x cap y)$ and not $P(a cdot b | x cdot y)$? Since multiplication would be defined over the values of $a,b,x,y$...
              $endgroup$
              – ahelwer
              Nov 18 '18 at 23:59












              $begingroup$
              Yes, this is correct.
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              – David Bar Moshe
              Nov 19 '18 at 6:58




              $begingroup$
              Yes, this is correct.
              $endgroup$
              – David Bar Moshe
              Nov 19 '18 at 6:58













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              The equation



              $P(ab|xy) = P(a|x)P(b|y)$



              would imply that any dependence that the output $ab$ has on the inputs $xy$ (expressed by the lhs) is solely due to $a$ depending on $x$ alone, and $b$ depending on $y$ alone. This is expressed by the rhs by treating the value of $a$ and its dependence on $x$ as an independent event from the value of $b$ and its dependence on $y$, and hence the probability of a particular $ab$ is the product of these independent probabilities.



              In Bell's equalities, we see that this is not the case. Correlations between $a$ and $b$ depend explicitly on which pair of inputs $xy$ is chosen. Specifically, for the CHSH inequality, whether or not $a$ agrees with $b$ depends on both $x$ and $y$, and hence $a$ cannot be said to be independent of $y$ (nor $b$ of $x$). This behaviour means that there will be at least some values of $a$, $b$, $x$ and $y$ where the above equality does not hold.






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                The equation



                $P(ab|xy) = P(a|x)P(b|y)$



                would imply that any dependence that the output $ab$ has on the inputs $xy$ (expressed by the lhs) is solely due to $a$ depending on $x$ alone, and $b$ depending on $y$ alone. This is expressed by the rhs by treating the value of $a$ and its dependence on $x$ as an independent event from the value of $b$ and its dependence on $y$, and hence the probability of a particular $ab$ is the product of these independent probabilities.



                In Bell's equalities, we see that this is not the case. Correlations between $a$ and $b$ depend explicitly on which pair of inputs $xy$ is chosen. Specifically, for the CHSH inequality, whether or not $a$ agrees with $b$ depends on both $x$ and $y$, and hence $a$ cannot be said to be independent of $y$ (nor $b$ of $x$). This behaviour means that there will be at least some values of $a$, $b$, $x$ and $y$ where the above equality does not hold.






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                  The equation



                  $P(ab|xy) = P(a|x)P(b|y)$



                  would imply that any dependence that the output $ab$ has on the inputs $xy$ (expressed by the lhs) is solely due to $a$ depending on $x$ alone, and $b$ depending on $y$ alone. This is expressed by the rhs by treating the value of $a$ and its dependence on $x$ as an independent event from the value of $b$ and its dependence on $y$, and hence the probability of a particular $ab$ is the product of these independent probabilities.



                  In Bell's equalities, we see that this is not the case. Correlations between $a$ and $b$ depend explicitly on which pair of inputs $xy$ is chosen. Specifically, for the CHSH inequality, whether or not $a$ agrees with $b$ depends on both $x$ and $y$, and hence $a$ cannot be said to be independent of $y$ (nor $b$ of $x$). This behaviour means that there will be at least some values of $a$, $b$, $x$ and $y$ where the above equality does not hold.






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                  The equation



                  $P(ab|xy) = P(a|x)P(b|y)$



                  would imply that any dependence that the output $ab$ has on the inputs $xy$ (expressed by the lhs) is solely due to $a$ depending on $x$ alone, and $b$ depending on $y$ alone. This is expressed by the rhs by treating the value of $a$ and its dependence on $x$ as an independent event from the value of $b$ and its dependence on $y$, and hence the probability of a particular $ab$ is the product of these independent probabilities.



                  In Bell's equalities, we see that this is not the case. Correlations between $a$ and $b$ depend explicitly on which pair of inputs $xy$ is chosen. Specifically, for the CHSH inequality, whether or not $a$ agrees with $b$ depends on both $x$ and $y$, and hence $a$ cannot be said to be independent of $y$ (nor $b$ of $x$). This behaviour means that there will be at least some values of $a$, $b$, $x$ and $y$ where the above equality does not hold.







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                      $begingroup$

                      It perhaps helps to express $P(ab|xy)$ in words:




                      the probability that Alice gets answer A and Bob gets answer B given that choices x and y were made




                      Now independence in classical probability holds if and only if
                      $$
                      P(e_1text and e_2)=P(e_1)P(e_2)
                      $$

                      where $e_1$ and $e_2$ are events, and practically, you can see what it means through Bayes' theorem
                      $$
                      P(e_1|e_2)=fracP(e_1text and e_2)P(e_2)=P(e_1)
                      $$

                      i.e. for independent events, the condition probability is independent of the conditioning.



                      Now, we could rewrite
                      $$
                      P(ab|xy)=P(a|bxy)P(b|xy)
                      $$

                      you lose a bit of symmetry by doing it like this, but only briefly. Now, the idea of independence in the current context is that Alice's result should not depend on anything that happens on Bob's side, so $P(a|bxy)=P(a|x)$ and Bob's result should be independent of anything that happens on Alice's side, so $P(b|xy)=P(b|x)$. Hence, independence between Alice and Bob would imply
                      $$
                      P(ab|xy)=P(a|x)P(b|y).
                      $$

                      So, if this condition holds for all $a,b,x,y$, then the probability distribution is independent, otherwise, the results are not statistically independent.






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                        3












                        $begingroup$

                        It perhaps helps to express $P(ab|xy)$ in words:




                        the probability that Alice gets answer A and Bob gets answer B given that choices x and y were made




                        Now independence in classical probability holds if and only if
                        $$
                        P(e_1text and e_2)=P(e_1)P(e_2)
                        $$

                        where $e_1$ and $e_2$ are events, and practically, you can see what it means through Bayes' theorem
                        $$
                        P(e_1|e_2)=fracP(e_1text and e_2)P(e_2)=P(e_1)
                        $$

                        i.e. for independent events, the condition probability is independent of the conditioning.



                        Now, we could rewrite
                        $$
                        P(ab|xy)=P(a|bxy)P(b|xy)
                        $$

                        you lose a bit of symmetry by doing it like this, but only briefly. Now, the idea of independence in the current context is that Alice's result should not depend on anything that happens on Bob's side, so $P(a|bxy)=P(a|x)$ and Bob's result should be independent of anything that happens on Alice's side, so $P(b|xy)=P(b|x)$. Hence, independence between Alice and Bob would imply
                        $$
                        P(ab|xy)=P(a|x)P(b|y).
                        $$

                        So, if this condition holds for all $a,b,x,y$, then the probability distribution is independent, otherwise, the results are not statistically independent.






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                          3












                          3








                          3





                          $begingroup$

                          It perhaps helps to express $P(ab|xy)$ in words:




                          the probability that Alice gets answer A and Bob gets answer B given that choices x and y were made




                          Now independence in classical probability holds if and only if
                          $$
                          P(e_1text and e_2)=P(e_1)P(e_2)
                          $$

                          where $e_1$ and $e_2$ are events, and practically, you can see what it means through Bayes' theorem
                          $$
                          P(e_1|e_2)=fracP(e_1text and e_2)P(e_2)=P(e_1)
                          $$

                          i.e. for independent events, the condition probability is independent of the conditioning.



                          Now, we could rewrite
                          $$
                          P(ab|xy)=P(a|bxy)P(b|xy)
                          $$

                          you lose a bit of symmetry by doing it like this, but only briefly. Now, the idea of independence in the current context is that Alice's result should not depend on anything that happens on Bob's side, so $P(a|bxy)=P(a|x)$ and Bob's result should be independent of anything that happens on Alice's side, so $P(b|xy)=P(b|x)$. Hence, independence between Alice and Bob would imply
                          $$
                          P(ab|xy)=P(a|x)P(b|y).
                          $$

                          So, if this condition holds for all $a,b,x,y$, then the probability distribution is independent, otherwise, the results are not statistically independent.






                          share|improve this answer









                          $endgroup$



                          It perhaps helps to express $P(ab|xy)$ in words:




                          the probability that Alice gets answer A and Bob gets answer B given that choices x and y were made




                          Now independence in classical probability holds if and only if
                          $$
                          P(e_1text and e_2)=P(e_1)P(e_2)
                          $$

                          where $e_1$ and $e_2$ are events, and practically, you can see what it means through Bayes' theorem
                          $$
                          P(e_1|e_2)=fracP(e_1text and e_2)P(e_2)=P(e_1)
                          $$

                          i.e. for independent events, the condition probability is independent of the conditioning.



                          Now, we could rewrite
                          $$
                          P(ab|xy)=P(a|bxy)P(b|xy)
                          $$

                          you lose a bit of symmetry by doing it like this, but only briefly. Now, the idea of independence in the current context is that Alice's result should not depend on anything that happens on Bob's side, so $P(a|bxy)=P(a|x)$ and Bob's result should be independent of anything that happens on Alice's side, so $P(b|xy)=P(b|x)$. Hence, independence between Alice and Bob would imply
                          $$
                          P(ab|xy)=P(a|x)P(b|y).
                          $$

                          So, if this condition holds for all $a,b,x,y$, then the probability distribution is independent, otherwise, the results are not statistically independent.







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